Finally, America and its allies have come to their senses by sending Ukraine what they requested long ago: upgraded tanks and armored vehicles aimed at pummeling Russian forces.

Over the past few weeks, America, Germany, France, Poland, and the UK have suddenly pledged a plethora of military equipment. This not only benefits Ukraine on the battlefield, but, more importantly, it cohesively signals the West’s determination to help Ukraine to win decisively.

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gabrielshorn2013

To dispel the absolute nonsense spewed by Barry Kissin below, Frontline on PBS will be airing an exceptional documentary called "Putin and the Presidents". You can watch it on PBS tomorrow night at 10 pm"

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/schedule/

or stream it now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJI8XTa_DII

mrnatural1

Thanks Gabriel, I've got it queued up. [thumbup]

mrnatural1

gabrielshorn2013 Jan 29, 2023 9:12pm:

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"Doing some background research, "Putin's putane" kissin's reference group is bogus, caught up in Russian anti-intelligence and QAnon. Why am I not surprised."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#Members?wprov=sfla1

~

From the small amount of reading I've done, VIPS was initially well-intentioned and their opinions were mostly well-founded. However, as time went on they became 'unreliable' and erratic to put it mildly. From your Wiki link:

"After the CIA chief weapons inspector David Kay in 2004 announced no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction could be found in Iraq, Michael W. Robbins opined in the magazine Mother Jones that VIPS "produced some of the most credible, and critical, analyses of the Bush Administration's handling of intelligence data in the run-up to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq."[2]

But, alas:

"Leonid Bershidsky, who was sympathetic to the VIPS allegations, wrote that, although VIPS had originally received favourable coverage in The New York Times in 2003, by 2017 they were only promoted by "non-mainstream publications that are easy to accuse of being channels for Russian disinformation."[26]

"The Financial Times and Heavy.com have speculated that VIPS, and in particular William Binney and Robert David Steele, may have been involved in recruiting the networks that became the QAnon pro-Trump conspiracy cult.[33][34]"

Sad. Very sad.

I've heard bad things. People are saying VIPS should disband before it is disclosed that they are puppets for Putin...

mrnatural1

gabrielshorn2013 Jan 29, 2023 8:56pm:

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"I used your link to check this organization out. I guess kissin couldn't find a legitimate reporting website. His website is essentially nothing more than an online bulletin board. There is nothing about who this group is. Anyone could have posted this letter."

~~~

I looked into "Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity":

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity

https://www.thenation.com/authors/veteran-intelligence-professionals-sanity/

I would have likely agreed with them -- at least in part -- when they first formed in 2003.

I have to question whether they are truly responsible for the letter Kissin posted. If so, they have gone off the pacifist deep end.

I'm no 'hawk'. In fact I think it's hard to justify any of our wars and 'conflicts' since WWII, but helping Ukraine with defensive weapons is an easy call.

Here is an article written by VIPS back in 2014:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/state-department-says-russia-invading-ukraine-should-we-believe-them/

I listened to the first ~22 minutes of this interview with Ray McGovern (founding member of VIPS, in list under letter):

https://forthright.media/2022/04/07/ray-mcgovern-veteran-intelligence-professionals-for-sanity-russia-ukraine/

Ray clearly supports Putin. He mentions the issue with NATO expanding east, which is legit (AFAIK), but he also talks about Neo-Nazis killing 14,000 Russians in Eastern Ukraine (false) and is silent about Russia's atrocities -- bombing schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings. Destroying civilian infrastructure. Not to mention torturing, raping, and killing innocent civilians. It's very difficult to understand how an American with military and CIA experience serving 7 presidents can defend (or ignore) such evil. It makes one wonder if Putin has something on him. Here are a few related articles:

These address many of McGovern's points:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/10/technology/disinformation-russia-ukraine.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/13/is-there-any-justification-for-putins-war

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-do-vladimir-putins-justifications-for-going-to-war-against-ukraine-add-up/a-60917168

Rumors debunked:

https://www.snopes.com/collections/rumors-russia-attack-collection/

barrykissin

January 26, 2023

Leopards vs. the Russian Bear

by Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Posted onJanuary 26, 2023

ALERT MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS FOR SANITY (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Leopards vs. the Russian Bear

Decisions in an Intelligence Vacuum

Dear President Biden:

We are aware that the just-reported decision to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine responds to Berlin’s coy insistence that "you go first." Now Leopard tanks from Germany and other allies will also be sent. Trouble is that those few that make it into Ukraine will be late to the party.

What your advisers should have told you is that none of the newly promised weaponry will stop Russia from defeating what’s left of the Ukrainian army. If you have been told otherwise, replace your intelligence and military advisers with competent professionals – the sooner the better.

Poorly Served

It has long been clear that you have not been adequately briefed on two issues of major importance: (1) the war in Ukraine, and (2) the strategic partnership between Russia and China. We chose this genre of "ALERT MEMORANDUM" because we want to prepare you for a major shock. Russia’s winter offensive is about to roll over the Ukrainian army. At that point, unwelcome choices will have to be made. Off-ramps must be sought – again, the sooner the better.

Your intelligence advisers seem blissfully unaware of what is coming. Still less do they appear able to offer you options to head off further disaster for Ukraine without still more dangerous escalation. As for China, the partnership with Russia is now so close that there is now a risk of a two-front war with two strong nuclear powers strongly supporting each other against the U.S.

Escalation Dominance

President Obama conceded, in a 2016 interview with The Atlantic, that Russia has escalation dominance in Ukraine, adding that Ukraine is a core interest of Russia but not of the US Thus, he warned, "we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for." Moreover, Obama’s warning came several years before the Russia-China entente took the solid shape it enjoys today.

Several of us undersigned were intelligence officers during Vietnam 55 years ago, when the Vietnamese Communists mounted a fierce country-wide offensive at Tet (late Jan. – early Feb. 1968). Earlier, smiley-face intelligence reporting from the military in Saigon left policymakers totally unprepared for the debacle. Recrimination was so widespread and bitter that President Johnson announced the following month that he would not run again for president.

VIPs’ Record on ‘Fixed’ (Corrupted) Intelligence

Twenty years ago, before the US/UK attack on Iraq, we warned President George W. Bush repeatedly that ‘justification’ for such an attack was based on false intelligence. (See, for example, "Today’s Speech By Secretary Powell At The UN" and "Iraq Intel: Forgery, Hyperbole, Half-Truth.") Five years later, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Jay Rockefeller, releasing the bipartisan conclusions of a 5-year committee investigation, summed them up with these words:

"In making the case for war, the [Bush] Administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when in reality it was unsubstantiated, contradicted, or even non-existent."

‘Nonexistent’! Ponder that. Manufactured, fraudulent. In our Feb. 5, 2003 Memo on Secretary of State Colin Powell’s speech, we warned that the unintended consequences of an attack on Iraq were likely to be catastrophic. We also urged President Bush to widen the circle of his advisers "beyond those clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason."

President Biden, please consider widening your circle now. Bring in new blood, with proven experience and the ability to weigh things dispassionately and understand the perspectives of other countries.

Ukraine: No Compelling Reason

The issuances of your current top intelligence advisers rival those of Bush’s and Cheney’s fixers in disingenuousness. Their statements run from dishonest to naïve (see below). They betray a woeful lack of understanding of Russia’s strategic concerns and its determination to use its formidable military power to meet perceived external threats. The statements also reflect abysmal ignorance regarding how US behavior has led willy-nilly to a profound shift in the world correlation of forces in favor of Russia and China – to include making them military allies in all but name.

CIA Director William Burns was to be the proverbial ‘adult in the room.’ And yet we hear him promoting the notion that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was "unprovoked." Burns was US ambassador 15 years ago when Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told the US what to expect if Ukraine became a member of NATO. To his credit – back then – in a Feb. 1, 2008 cable to Washington titled "Nyet Means Nyet: NATO Enlargement Redlines," Ambassador Burns reported:

"NATO enlargement, particularly to Ukraine, remains ‘an emotional and neuralgic’ issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also underlie strong opposition to NATO membership … . "In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue could potentially split the country in two, leading to violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force Russia to decide whether to intervene."

So much for "unprovoked."

Intelligence Illusions

A review of statements made last month by CIA Director William Burns and National Intelligence Director Avril Haines turned up the following:

On Ukraine:

"What we see, at least at CIA, is a reduced tempo in fighting … as winter sets in. The Russian military is badly battered now." (WB)

"We’re seeing kind of a reduced tempo … and sort of a slow-down … And we expect that likely to be what we see in the coming months. … And then once you get past winter … what will the counteroffensive look like … we actually have a fair amount of skepticism as to whether or not the Russians will be, in fact, prepared for that. … I think more optimistically for the Ukrainians in that timeframe." (AH)

"We see shortages of ammunition … They [the Russians] are quite quickly [burning through military stockpiles of munition] … I mean it’s pretty extraordinary and our own sense is that they are not capable of indigenously producing what they are expending at this stage … their precision munitions are running out much faster." (AH)

On China:

"Well, I think Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin have formed a pretty close partnership over recent years. A few weeks before Putin launched his invasion in Ukraine, when they met at the Winter Olympics in Beijing, they proclaimed a friendship without limits. There actually are some limits to that partnership … (WB)

Comment: In VIPs’s view, more important by far is that Putin got XI Jinping’s tacit approval for invading Ukraine when the Beijing Olympics were over. Whatever "limits" Burns has in mind pale in significance compared with XI’s willingness to give Putin, essentially, a waiver on China’s bedrock Westphalian principle of non-interference.

"China continues to play sort of both sides of this game, right? I mean they are continuing to work with Russia on a variety of things. They continue to do things like have meetings. … We don’t see anything that is determinative of military assistance. But there are things on the margins that concern us." (AH)

Comment: On the margins? The tectonic shift to a two-against-one in the triangular superpower correlation of forces is deemed "on the margins" – not worth mentioning?

Putin: ‘This Is Simply Crazy’

Speaking on Oct. 27 at the Valdai International Discussion Club, President Putin questioned the sanity of those who would “spoil relations with China at the same time they are supplying billions-worth of weapons to Ukraine in a fight against Russia. …

“Frankly, I do not know why they are doing this. … Are they sane? It seems that this runs completely counter to common sense and logic … This is simply crazy. … Such irrational actions are rooted in arrogance and a sense of impunity.”

An Off-Ramp on Ukraine?

Also at Valdai on Oct. 27, Putin dropped a broad hint that, as the Russian army moves west, Moscow might agree to halt before taking Odessa, in return for concessions from US/NATO/Ukraine. A coy Hungarian journalist told Putin he was planning to visit Odessa. "Should I apply for a Russian or Ukrainian visa two years from now?" he asked.

We wonder if your advisers have told you of these remarks by Putin in response. (A missed opportunity?)

Odessa can be an apple of discord, a symbol of conflict resolution, and a symbol of finding some kind of solution to everything that is happening now. It is not a question of Russia. We have said many times that we are ready to negotiate … But the leaders of the Kiev regime have decided not to continue negotiations with the Russian Federation. It is true that the final word belongs to those who implement this policy in Washington. It is very easy for them to solve this problem: to send the appropriate signal to Kiev that they should change their position and seek a peaceful solution to these problems. And that will do it.

We don’t think Russia wants to occupy all, perhaps not even most, of Ukraine. In return for flexibility on the part of Washington/Kiev, we suggest the Russians might consider stopping their advance at the Dniepr River and try to arrange talks to create some kind of demilitarized zone from Odessa northward roughly along the Dniepr. This would leave Ukraine with access to the sea. It may not be too late to follow up on Putin’s late-October hint at Valdai. What’s to lose?

All possible off-ramps should be explored seriously. The alternatives are all quite grim.

Bottom Line

Russia is not only determined to prevail but has the means to prevail in Ukraine – the infusion of arms form the West notwithstanding. Paraphrasing President Obama, Russia sees an existential threat in Ukraine, while Ukraine poses no serious threat to the US It is a fact of life that nuclear powers do not tolerate existential threats on their border. And there is zero evidence to support the charge that "after Ukraine, Putin will go after other European countries." The old Soviet Union is dead and gone. R.I.P.

Nor can Putin be dismissed as paranoid. He has heard from the lips of US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin:

"One of the US’s goals in Ukraine is to see a weakened Russia. … The US is ready to move heaven and earth to help Ukraine win the war against Russia."

Can the US achieve Austin’s goal? Not without using nuclear weapons.

Thus, there is a large conceptual – and exceptionally dangerous – disconnect. Simply stated, it is not possible to "win the war against Russia" AND avoid WWIII. It is downright scary that Defense Secretary Austin may think it possible. In any case, the Kremlin has to assume he thinks so. It is a very dangerous delusion.

FOR THE STEERING GROUP,

VETERAN INTELLIGENCE PROFESSIONALS FOR SANITY (VIPs)

• Richard H. Black, Senator of Virginia, 13th District; Colonel US Army (ret.); former Chief, Criminal Law Division, Office of the Judge Advocate General, the Pentagon (associate VIPS)

• Bogdan Dzakovic, former Team Leader of Federal Air Marshals and Red Team, FAA Security, (ret.) (associate VIPS)

• Graham E. Fuller, Vice-Chair, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

• Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

• Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq and Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan (associate VIPS)

• Larry C. Johnson, former CIA and State Department Counter Terrorism officer

• John Kiriakou, former CIA Counterterrorism Officer and former senior investigator, Senate Foreign Relations Committee

• Karen Kwiatkowski, former Lt. Col., US Air Force (ret.), at Office of Secretary of Defense watching the manufacture of lies on Iraq, 2001-2003

• Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst; CIA Presidential briefer (ret.)

• Elizabeth Murray, former Deputy National Intelligence Officer for the Near East, National Intelligence Council & CIA political analyst (ret.)

• Pedro Israel Orta, former CIA and Intelligence Community (Inspector General) officer

• Todd E. Pierce, MAJ, US Army Judge Advocate (ret.)

• Scott Ritter, former MAJ, USMC; former UN Weapons Inspector, Iraq

• Coleen Rowley, FBI Special Agent and former Minneapolis Division Legal Counsel (ret.)

• Lawrence Wilkerson, Colonel (USA, ret.), Distinguished Visiting Professor, College of William and Mary (associate VIPS)

• Sarah G. Wilton, CDR, USNR, (ret.); Defense Intelligence Agency (ret.)

• Robert Wing, former Foreign Service Officer (associate VIPS)

• Ann Wright, retired U.S. Army reserve colonel and former U.S. diplomat who resigned in 2003 in opposition to the Iraq War

gabrielshorn2013

"Agent Mulder" Kissin would rather ignore the cries of the Ukrainian people for help. Not help fighting their invaders, but supplies so they may defend themselves. They should roll over and take what the Russian invaders want to give them. It reminds me of a quote from WABC NY weatherman, "Tex" Antoine, "if rape is inevitable, lay back and enjoy it". It was a disgusting comment back then, and got him fired, never to work in broadcasting again. While you have a right to your opinion (isn't that a wonderful thing you can do so in the free world? How's that working in Russia?), your opinion is nonetheless disgusting. Why are you such a Putin fanboy? Do the Ukrainians not have a say in their own destiny, or are you falling for Putin's false claims...yet again.

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] Gabriel.

gabrielshorn2013

BTW, Got a link as to where this screed may be found, and verified, "counselor", or is another of yout RT propaganda posts?

mrnatural1

I am wondering the same thing Gabriel. Here's one link:

https://original.antiwar.com/veteran-intelligence-professionals-for-sanity2/2023/01/25/leopards-vs-the-russian-bear/

A couple thoughts:

* Some people are so dedicated to, and obsessed with, their tribe -- dem; rep; socialism; capitalism; communism -- that they can ignore or justify anything: illegal invasions; war crimes; crimes against humanity. Their little "Brantley" can do no wrong.

* Others are vehement pacifists. I recall being introduced to some self-described pacifists here in FredCo years ago. I asked one of them if he would step in to prevent his family from being murdered. He said no -- he would let them be killed.

At that point, we're dealing with mental illness.

gabrielshorn2013

I used your link to check this organization out. I guess kissin couldn't find a legitimate reporting website. His website is essentially nothing more than an online bulletin board. There is nothing about who this group is. Anyone could have posted this letter.

gabrielshorn2013

Doing some background research, "Putin's putane" kissin's reference group is bogus, caught up in Russian anti-intelligence and QAnon. Why am I not surprised.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veteran_Intelligence_Professionals_for_Sanity#Members?wprov=sfla1

barrykissin

Jan. 27: Today's Good Morning! saying at bottom of front page: "Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear."

~General Douglas MacArthur

gabrielshorn2013

He's BAAaaack! And that applies to the story in Ukraine, how, Agent Mulder? Should the Ukrainian citizens just roll over and take what Russia wants to give them? Why should they not be allowed to defend themselves? Why should they not be given the tools to defend themselves? Your "peacenik" persona is devoid of any reality. You would allow a bully to pick on a little kid, because, "hey, that's life". Despicable, but that's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. However, it begs the question as to you are such a Putin fan boy? One of "Putin's Putanes?"

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] Gabriel.

barrykissin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZIgaSAfd7g

gabrielshorn2013

Oh, please. Another RT (Russia Today) piece. Good lord you are gullible, "counselor".

BornToHula2

Grozny, Aleppo, Mariupol. It's a pattern of complete destruction.

BornToHula2

and disregard for civilian lives and infrastructure.

mrnatural1

Absolutely correct BornToHula. [thumbup][thumbup]

This is clearly NOT a "good people on both sides" situation.

Ukraine is simply defending itself from an unwarranted invasion.

Russia is the aggressor and continues to commit war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Since WWII the U.S. has been involved in many military conflicts that were/are very difficult to justify. Assisting Ukraine is clearly different.

Piedmontgardener

Dude, you are a complete fool. 100k dead Russian troops. Why? It's not because of the Ukranian Nazi's. You embarrass yourself routinely reciting debunked propoganda.

Deanmartin

"barrykissin" The u tube video you cited features an interview with disgraced Douglas Macgregor who has made controversial and grossly misleading statements about Russia's murderous invasion. He has also been acused of anti-semetic remarks and outrageousy inflammatory racial comments. It seems lke Macgregor can't seem to get his lies straight. https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/12/politics/kfile-douglas-macgregor-west-point-board/index.html

gabrielshorn2013

Wow, the guy's a real tool, just like our conspiracy lovin' "agent mulder" kissin.

gabrielshorn2013

Excellent letter, Mr. Root. As Antony Blinken said, "If Russia stops fighting, the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting, Ukraine ends". It's really that simple folks. Russia's sham of an excuse s of "NATO encroaching on their territory", and "Ukraine is full of Nazis" was pure BS. Putin could not have been a better salesman of NATOs value when he chose to invade Ukraine. Due to his superior salesmanship, Sweden and Finland will now be joining. Up until the invasion, they strictly refused such membership, and remained neutral. Congrats Vlad on a job well done! The former Soviet states all clamored for NATO and EU membership after the USSR collapsed, knowing first-hand the brutality and corruption of the Soviet regime. Even Ukraine, as corrupt as their government was, had awakened after the Soviet collapse, and was working toward EU membership, but not NATO membership, in order to appease the Russians. Once Ukraine is victorious, and several internal issues are resolved, they will be back for both EU and NATO membership. As for the nonsense of several members of congress wanting to stop our support of Ukraine, well, consider who it is. They're not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Remember, we are not fighting Ukraine's battles. We are giving them an equal footing with Russia, so they can bravely do that for themselves. That is the right thing to do. I encourage anyone reading these comments to donate to charities to support Ukraine, including World Central Kitchen run by chef Jose Andres. These volunteers are braving daily bombardment to provide food to the hungry civilians. Others are providing energy resources to repair the civilian infrastructure that provides heat and electricity to the civilian population, which Russia continually denies targeting. Bull$#!+. With the number of civilian targets struck thus far, Putin's army either really sucks in aiming, or it's deliberate. The choice is obvious.

slava Ukrayini!!!

BornToHula2

[thumbup]

AOC

Gabe, even congress believes there is a Nazi problem. NBC has reported:

Just as disturbing, Neo-Nazis are part of some of Ukraine’s growing ranks of volunteer battalions. They are battle-hardened after waging some of the toughest street fighting against Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine following Putin’s Crimean invasion in 2014. One is the Azov Battalion, founded by an avowed white supremacist who claimed Ukraine’s national purpose was to rid the country of Jews and other inferior races. In 2018, the U.S. Congress stipulated that its aid to Ukraine couldn’t be used “to provide arms, training or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.” Even so, Azov is now an official member of the Ukraine National Guard.

gabrielshorn2013

I am well-aware of who the Azov Battalion is, AOC. They were a small fringe neo-nazi militia group fighting the Russians and their minions in the Donbas since 2014. With Russia's invasion, Ukraine was forced to accept them into their military's ranks. Ukraine needed all the soldiers they could muster since they are far outnumbered by the Russian army. However, to imply that the citizens of Ukraine, or their military are "Nazi" is ridiculous. If they were trying to "rid the country of Jews and other inferior races", they're doing a poor job, since there is a large Jewish presence in many cities, including Kyiv. You are aware that Ukraine's president Zelenskyy is Jewish, right? So, if I accept your position that there are some Nazi sympathizers in the Ukrainian military, therefore being "full of Nazi's", if logic follows, would you believe that the US military is a Nazi army, since there are a few Nazi sympathizers in the US military? Also, is the US "Nazified" because after WWII we took in a bunch of their rocket scientists, such as Dr, Werner von Braun? Oh hell no!

Now, if you don't understand Ukrainian history, there was a Russian guy named Josef Stalin, who chose to punish the Ukrainians for not agreeing to give all of their farming products to Moscow for distribution to the entire USSR, because they too were hungry due to a bleak harvest. He took their food anyway, and starved their population in 1932-1933 in what was called the Holodomor, or "The Red Famine". 7–10 million Ukrainians died in the Holodomor. Do you know who offered to help them out? Yep, the Nazis. Many Ukrainians accepted that help in the form of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". That lasted until the Nazis started persecuting Ukrainian Jews, and the "deal" fell apart, causing the Ukrainians to fight against the Nazis. Putin is a student of history, and is well-aware of the Nazi's help in the Holodomor, and uses that as propaganda tool, never mentioning that Russia was deliberately starving the Ukrainians to death.

BTW, Congress seems to have had a change of heart since that earlier stipulation, right?

BornToHula2

It should be noted that the far right in the Ukraine in the last parliamentary elections got a whole 2.15% of the electorate (less than anywhere else in Europe).

Regarding the Bandera stuff, you have to take holdomor into account (a Stalin famine in Soviet Ukraine from 1932 to 1933 that killed 3.5 to 5 million Ukrainians and was used to kill off the Ukrainian independence movement).

gabrielshorn2013

Absolutely correct, BTH. The Ukrainian diaspora remember the Holodomor well.

Piedmontgardener

She's Blaine Young in a psuedonym. Same deal, repeat tropes incessantly, ignore the realities of a war and its implications while you mutter "Dark Brandon". Candy for small minds, nothing more. I knew one would show up to this letter like a moth to a flame.

public-redux

I doubt that AOC is actual B. Young for the simple reason that AOC’s prose is so much better than BY’s.

Whenever the former commissioner had a competently literate LTE published, it was generally rumored to have been ghostwritten. A certain law firm that specializes in land use and often represented (represents?) developers was the most common suspect for authorship. Upon occasion the former commissioner would deliver in the the FNP or on social media a collection of words and punctuation marks that revealed his unalloyed authorship and put the lie to his having written the felicitous ones.

TrekMan

Peed is wrong. I know Blaine Young - grew up with him, and AOC is NOT him!

Piedmontgardener

AOC - This is just beneath you, or apparently not. Wake up - I remember when Republicans would punch you in the face for suggesting they coddle fascist former communist oligarchs. What is wrong with you people, Reagan would be disgusted.

BornToHula2

AOC must have also commented elsewhere on the neo-nazi elements in the Russian military or in the Wagner group such as Task Force Rusich which accidentally outed their plans to take Charkiv in January 22. We just missed it.

I shouldn't speak for others but I'm sure she is also very concerned about right wing extremism in the US military.

gabrielshorn2013

Yes, it's possible.

Deanmartin

Gabe you are "cherry picking" with your suggestion that there are growing ranks of Neo-Nazi's in Ukraine's armed forces. This is nothing more than hysterical propaganda put out by the Kremlin and Putin. When Russia first invaded Putin stated it was justified to De-Nazify Ukraine in order to protect ethnic Russians in Ukraine. The real purpose of the invasion has nothing to do with Nazi's or NATO or protecting ethnic Russians. Absolute proof of this happened when Russian armed forces (The real Nazi's) bombed and leveled the city of Mariupol to rubble despite the fact that 95% of their residents were ethnic Russians. The real purpose of Russia's full- scale invasion is to rebuild a grand Soviet empire to acquire Ukraine's land and resources which Putin eventually admitted. In Putin's mind the murderous displacement of Ukraine's 43 million people is collateral damage, a necessary price paid to rebuild a Soviet empire. Once this war has nothing to do with Nazi's, and everything to do with rewriting the world map for Russia's benefit.

Deanmartin

Correction. I was actually referring to AOC in the above response.

gabrielshorn2013

Apology accepted

threecents

AZOV is one of ten known Neo-Nazi organiztions in Ukraine. There are 23 such organiztions in Russia. How many would you guess are in the USA?

Try 35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neo-Nazi_organizations

threecents

Just picking one at random - The Aryan Brotherhood of Texas has more members than the Azov Battalion.

public-redux

Everything is bigger in Texas.

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] gabriel!

TrekMan

Great LTE, and right on Gabe!! Couldn't be more accurate!!

Dwasserba

Слава Україні!

marylandmirage1

There are some members of Congress who disagree with aiding Ukraine. It would be very dangerous to allow Russia to take any more land from Ukraine, or anywhere else. Dictators and power-control hungry people and countries have been around since time began, and just giving them what they want to appease them and make them stop doesn't seem to work for very long. They always want more and more, and seem emboldened by the fear of other countries to intervene. The threat of nuclear power does have to be considered, but Russia has to realize that other countries also have nuclear weaponry. They cannot be unopposed because of saber rattling tactics. Isolationism has been tried, and it has failed.

Hayduke2

Time for the U.S. and NATO to step up - hopefully, this could spell the end of Putin.

Piedmontgardener

Good letter, Mr. Root. It's the most important moment for the West in a very long time and the brave blood spilled by the Ukranians demands everything we can do to support them.

mrnatural1

[thumbup][thumbup] Piedmont.

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